Dexedrine was actually invented by a Nazi Dr. After World War 2 Russia, Us And France all took many German medications and none now have an actual patent for it. You can Google search this for more info
Pretty sure that the reason Vyvanse has a lysine molecule added to it is because it lengthens the half-life. Vyvanse, for me, lasts about seven hours while Dexedrine instant release only lasts about three hours
Personally I dont like L-amphetamine thats why i switched to vyvanse then couldnt afford it so i figured dexedrine is the same dame thing. I just have to dose twice a day versus once. IMO and what I've felt and seen with others is any drug with levo- amp is gonna have a higher potential for abuse and and preferd by most addict though Evkeo hasnt hit the street yet and that a 50/50 mix unlike Adderalls 75/25 mix. Basically Benzadrine rebranded.
Zenzedi amazing impossible to find anywhere the generic is horrible tried it never again and only goes up to 10mg so 15 up they have to get you the brand So I'm shooting to get 15mg.... 9 out 10 Pharmacies never heard of Zendedi and worse even can't get it or won't. I refuse adderall it sucks or worse Ritalin sucks even more.... The Brand Zenzedi is hilariously expensive without a proper prescription plan 60 of 15 mg is like 700 dollars. The whole thing is just fucked up. And I refuse anything else psychiatrists give you. So I'm basically screwed with this stuff. Pain meds if you get a monthly script you can find much easier. And yet there's this on going epidemic. But Zenzedi impossible. Anti depressants I'm against there's about a 100 different kinds out there and they put a new one out every month. And they suck anyway.
Really great video, nice to see someone lay this all out in a nice video. Also a big thing I noticed, people don't like different generic Adderall manufacturers. If someone had a shitty Adderall generic, people would be quick to want to try something else. Teva owns the rights to the original IR formula and modified to be like their Barr generic, popular opinion says that it's garbage.
Adderall is 1/2 Dexedrine & 1/2 Amphetamine (25% levo-amphetamine). Dexedrine was recently re-released under the name "Zenzedi". Don't forget about Desoxyn, which is extremely expensive yet very effective with little side effects.
No. Dextroamphetamine is a stereoisomer of Amphetamine. Amphetamine is usually in a power form and the the street drug speed. I don't think there is any form of amphetamine FDA approved besides Evekeo and Adzenys ODT. It lists at the top left "amphetamine sulfate" but then goes on describe how it is composed of a racemic mixture of amphetamine salts.
Curious about Bill Nye the stimulant guy's take on Zenzedi & the fact that in Texas, most health care providers are inclined to switch their patients to dextroamphetamine if they know the reason for your request to switch and change your treatment plan; i.e. Every other stimulant makes me feel jittery, etc.
PS - it costs about $9.00 to fill 120 of the 10mg Dexedrine IR depending on your coverage, which takes into consideration a number of variables.
10mg spanuels are hard to find at pharmacies. 5mg tablets are easier to find. The spanuels used to be called black beauties. Amphetamine psychosis is why they are not prescribed. Kanye West was showing symptoms before hospitalized.
treehorn70 the psychosis only happens with abuse and failure to have anxiety medication on hand. Remember, dopamine gets motabolized into adrenaline AND that causes excess stress.
I never heard of anyone having amphetamine psychosis without having an insane level of anxiety. There is a reason why heavy street users of stimulate medication have Xanax on deck. It's also the same reason why Xanax is given to amphetamine psychosis patients. They triggered their fight or flight and they need something to calm it down.
Just got it today (dexedrine) small small dose- adderall made me see shadow people yesterday (though the day before it made me feel amazingly normal for the first time in regards to focus, etc- I am the ADD labeled creative person who needs it) so far the dexedrine is making me really happy (too happy) so I'm hoping it will calm down and I will feel normal xD
Hate having to take medication.
im not trying to be rude to you or an asshole, but as someone who has taken adderal, dexadrine and vyvanse for years (i know the medications are spelt wrong), I have to say they are absolutely not the same. First of all Vyvanse is not habit forming,. I can take vyvanse and not feel like hey maybe I should take another one. The habit does not form, Ive tried taking more than the highest dose they prescribe to see what it was like and you will not get "high". It is not pleasant therefore you will not feel like abusing it. Adderal and dexadrine is completely different. I can take one adderal and feel like taking more and it will not be unpleasent it is much like a cocaine or MDMA high. You can take lots and continue to get higher and higher. Vyvanse is not like this at all. Just speaking from experience.
You have a good point but habit forming can be subjective. Vyvanse was designed to be less abusable and non habit forming, but it's still a CNS drug and some people especially younger ones will take way above the recommended dose.
Jessica PN were all differant... for me vyvanse is fun as hell and definatly abusable. its true you dont get "higer" the more you take but you definatly feel happy/productive and the crash is less harsh
Say for argument sake it was 500 mg or say 70 mg or even 10 or 1,000. As long as this kid functions and feels more capable from it what difference does it make to u,,, but I'm likely to bet he's just in this industry and knows about this kinda shit
I was given a short 2 week trail period of Dextroamphetamine. The first few days nothing happened however after a few days I started realizing that my focus was getting a lot better and I was also able to multi-task which was something I never new was possible. the dextroamphetamine really worked however after the trial. I got generic dextro and nothing happened so I switch back to the regular stuff which was expensive and still nothing happened. I wish I can figure it out and go back to feeling like I was becoming smart, focused and more normal.
30mg vyvanse = 8.9 mg Freebase Dextroamphetamine
30mg zenzedi (newer dexedrine, same thing, just a rebrand) = 22 mg Freebase Dextroamphetamine
30mg adderall = 14.2mg Freebase Dextroamphetamine, 4.5mg Freebase Levoamphetamine
.... Yea they are sorta rebrands, but the amount of Base Amphetamine differs from medication to medication...
Im trying to come off methamphetamine and I have add and my psychiatrist refuses to prescribe dex. I would like it prescribed to me for the same reasons a smoker would start using nicotine patches or lozenges.
+David Hanifin Seems doctors don't prescribe it when theres a history of drug abuse, the risk of abusing the prescription meds instead is apparently too high... Had some issues with cocaine myself in the past (Pre ADHD diagnosis) and dex has actually fixed that completely, no more cravings for the bad stuff :-)
Dexedrine is difficult to obtain as the manufacturing schedule is reduced. I've been on dexedrine for 20 years and I love it. However, the majority prescribers are NOT paid to prescribe certain meds, In fact recent legislation makes it an ethical violation for drug reps to engage in practices that were once parts of the sales game. While I appreciate you efforts to call attention to the diminished prescribing of dexedrine but the prescribing physicians are not the problem.
So refreshing to hear the truth for once.im the type of geek who reads the P.D.R for fun.i also worked in the pharmaceutical industry for years,and can attest to your facts stated.i would love to be a part of a watchdog group to help educate people on the truths of meds vs. The lies of the big, powerful rx company bs.maybe we should talk more.nevertheless,your mentor taught you well!!
Kryptiiq try eating healthy, if you stay healthy it will likely work better and you will be physically healthier. I'm on 30 mg, and ever since my 20 mg prescription I've been motivated to stay fit on top of staying academically engaged.
You can also ask your doc to look for another prescription, if this doesn't work.
Here is the really fucked up thing...At the risk of sounding cliche'...You only live once. When you have no energy and no motivation, AND none of the antidepressants have done anything to help you in that department, you don't get much out of life to say the least! Doctors do NOT need to be as paranoid as they are. Doctors need to start getting sued for UNDER-TREATING their patients! They clearly don't give a shit about the QUALITY of life their patients have! They have the easy answer at their finger tips, and they won't give it! That is CRUEL!!! They obviously have the attitude that their patients can go to hell.
jeff jones You are right. Whenever I look at it, if the doctor isn't giving you what you need or if you are in a situation where you need 100mg Adderall per day and you end up sleeping on it but your doctor only perscribed 50mg you end up thinking damn, I can't straight up ask my doctor for 5-10mg per day of the so called "holy grail medication" because desoxyn is you know what even though 5-10mg of street works for you you can't tell your doctor that either so you end up with Adderall that isn't helping but that's the only thing your Dr would give you... besides Vyvanse but that's like 250.
Sick part is that 5-10mg of the street desoxyn lasts me the whole day and kills my ADHD and my depression. Vyvanse doesn't kill my depression or anxiety but slightly helps with my ADHD. interestingly, 5-10mg street desoxyn taken once per day in the morning kills my depression, anxiety, and ADHD.
Why does it work better than Vyvanse and kills my depression and anxiety? Most people don't know that desoxyn works on dopamine AND serotonin and then norepinephrine. Vyvanse and dexedrine only works on dopamine and norepinephrine.
Now I'm stuck with an Adderall script that I don't really even take because I hate the side effects and can't tell my doctor that street desoxyn is smoother than coffee.
I'd pay the crazy price for desoxyn because I just want to be normal. I don't want to pop 100mg Adderall only to get strange side effects and increased anxiety which turns into depression because I can't do shit. When my friend say me taking 100mg and lay down and go to sleep they couldn't believe it. perhaps being left handed has something to do with it... after all, they say ADHD is more common in those types...
Being functional with desoxyn beats not being able to do shit on 100mg of Adderall. I can talk to my long lost friends, drive without fucking up, go outside and go to the park with my family. I can say I'm going to DO SOMETHING and ACTUALLY DO IT! For example, unmedicated , I think about doing something and never do it. on Adderall I think about something and sometimes do it ( 20% of the time I do it). on street desoxyn, damn near 100% of the time I think about something and do it within a second or two AFTER thinking about it. If you have ADHD you know exactly what I'm talking about.
sorry for the long post but I just had to share the constant crap that I go through on a daily basis.
I now understand why desoxyn only comes in 5mg pills. The shit is so damn strong that 50-100mg of Adderall pales in comparison... at least to me.
so psychiatrist are not prescribing dexedrine because of money, so how can i get it? iin 2 week i will have the adhd test result, and im sure i have add, so i will prescribe ritalin or adderall etc. what would be your suggestion to get it? just to take the medicine and come back and tell them that did not work until i get the dexedrine? thanks
At some points you said the drugs are "basically the same", but at others you admit that they are different. Have you taken any of these drugs? Because I have, and they are definitely not the same. The way they hit me is different, the effects are different, and the way I come down from them is different.
As far as the money theory, my doctor moved me from Adderall to Dexedrine without me even asking a couple months ago. I'm not sure why that would make any sense if the patent on Dexedrine expired and no money could be made from it. Dexedrine is also a lot more expensive than the Adderall. The whole theory sounds a little bit conspiratorial and the evidence provided is two YouTube videos? Is it not possible that it's a mere coincidence that the only two doctors you looked up on that website turned up the way they did? Maybe if you looked up more than just two, I could see that being more meaningful evidence.
I'm not trying to be Skeptic McDouchebag, and I'm sure money IS involved somehow, but it doesn't quite seem to make sense with my experiences.
+Erkal Stacks "When I say Dexedrine I mean dextroamphetamine, it doesn't fucking matter." It matters if you are not just talking to yourself. You are completely missing the point. Zenzedi is still a generic d-amp. The discussion was about whether people can get GSK dex in the US.
+Erkal Stacks When people say Dexedrine, it only denotes the d-amp that's made by GSK or GSK licensed firms. Brandname Dexedrine doesn't mean D-amps that's made by a branded company as Dexedrine is trademarked.
Everytime i go to the doctors office, my doctor frowns upon me suggesting different types of stimulant medications even after i'v informed him that i'm aware of each medication. I feel like this is becoming more and more of a thing where it's frowned upon discussing medications amongst your doctor. Especially with controlled substances, i feel like they think i'm some junkie or something everytime i go there.
+Tom Thomas a lot of people say dexedrine is better since it has a smoother comedown than adderall and ritalin. I've taken those and imo dexedrine is better i've been wanting to try modafinil too though but my insurance wont cover it since it hasnt been approved for adhd treatment=/
There is another major problem. Doctors are paranoid to prescribe certain things. The reasons are fairly obvious. The REAL problem is this...They refuse to understand or CARE that WE, not THEM, have to live our lives! It is way too easy for them to say "FUCK YOU!!!" I would like to get the most out of this ONE life I have to live. THEY, want to short change me! If they don't want to help people, they should grow some balls or not have become doctors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jeff jones doctors as smart as they are are stupid and think drug addicts are stupid people who don't know what drugs do and eat them like hamster but the truth is the doctors are the stupid hamsters but the only ones with the power to give the people that need it
jeff jones That's not the reason. Doctors don't prescribe certain things because some medications are addictive, they can cause harm if given to the wrong person, and, sometimes, the medications that patients ask for aren't always the best ones.
Sorry, poorly typed up. Was working when I was typing this. I am with a therapist... And he said no to putting me on dexamphetamine. He didn't really go into detail as to why. But surely if it worked for me when I was younger that is a sign that it could possibly work now! I'm off the ritalin now because I wasn't benefiting from it and got awful side effects! Now I'm going to the therapist one Thursday. So going to have a chat with him then. But I know this is a strange question but could you maybe be able to tell me why he's not put me on dexemphetamine? X
+Rachael Ferguson I couldn't be sure with this amount of information. Perhaps try asking what he does suggest and from that you should be able to get a better understanding of his motivations. Other than your weight loss, if you told him, I can't think of a reason from what you have said.
Hello, I've just put on ritalin. Let me give you a bit of my back story.. I've suffered from ADHD all my life. I was on ritalin when I was younger.. But didn't do anything for me. So my parents put me on Dexedrine however they took me off it because I was nothing but a bag of bones due to the loss of appetite! BUT it did work! It helped me loads! My parents didn't want me to be a little bag at bones at 6 years old. My parents then chose not to put me on anything else. Now 21 I'm going back to college to try and make something of myself as I dropped out of high school because I could not focus and keep my attention to class work. So now.. Im on ritalin 36mg a day, I'm not baring with the side effects I have ringing side in my ear, headache, feeling angry and nervous! And I'm not concentrating! I've asked my doctor to put me on therapist and he's so not down for this! Would you say this is because it costs too much? I'm from the uk so we don't have adderall! Any help I'd appreciate thanks! X
Vyvanse didn't work for me (well, sorta did for 6m, then totally did a 180. The weaning off process wasn't fun and it seemed to kill my adrenals). How is dexadrine rx'd? Like, how many times a day is it taken and usually at what dose? Is there risk of insomnia?
+Joe Kelly sorry im replying now, yeah I am not 5 months into dexerdrine. The side effects of ritalin were too much. The only side effects I've experienced on dexerdrine is weight loss, slight mood changes and head aches! Best choice I've ever made asking to be put in dexerdrine. My doctor was concerned never the less as there is a high chance off addiction. However I'm on 30mg a day and I'm still benefitting from it. That's 5-6 months now. My doctor says dexerdrine is the one drug you build a quick tolerance to. But I'm doing alright! How are you on your journey? Is it ADHD you have or ADD? would be nice to hear from someone who knows what's it like being one of them. Thank you!
I took Ritalin also. Too many side effects. I am now back on Dexedrine & doing well. It's hard to find & most pharmacists look at you like you're crazy when you even inquire as to whether or not they have it in stock.
+Rachael Ferguson Hello there, I used to live in Bromely, but I am not too familiar with healthcare in the UK. I am somewhat surprised that Adderall in not available in the UK, since Shire is a company from the UK. At same time it makes a lot sense, because Adderall does not offer any real benefits for its intended purpose. It does everything dextroamphetamine does plus much more of the side effects that did not agree with you.
You want to go to a therapist and they wouldn't let you? Or did you mean you wanted to go back on dextroamphetamine and they said no?
Have you seen the price for Dexedrine Brand Name Spansules on Goodrx.com? It's insane. It's like double or triple the cost of vyvanse. But the generic Dexedrine Spansule is way cheaper (amphetamine base wise) than vyvanse, to put in comparsion, Generic Dexedrine is about the same (a little bit more costly) than brand name adderall.
IMO I recommend others to get brand name Zenzedi instead of brand name Adderall IR. The brand name of Zenzedi is about the same Price as brand name adderall(and 2x the price of generic adderall). Zenzedi is a newer ADHD medication on the market (only 3 yrs old) that is 100% dextroamphetamine like vyvanse. Except it gives yea more control over your doses. But having control over your doses increases the risks of drug abuse. I believe if you truely have ADHD or ADD, you probably aren't going to increase your dose or abuse the drug anyways, in fact most of the comments i see on the Internet about people with adderall and both amphetamines plural, is "How the hell do people like this stuff?"
Make sure if you switch from vyvanse or adderall to Dexedrine(or zenzedi) you do your homework on "Amphetamine base"
30mg Vyvanse = 8.9 mg active freebase dextroamphetamine
30mg Zenzedi = 22 mg active freebase dextroamphetamine
30mg Adderall = 14.2mg active freebase dextroamphetamine, 4.5 mg active freebase Levoamphetamine