Stop trying to take our guns you propagandist mainstream media. Our guns and bump stocks are to defend ourselves from our corrupt government, that once tortured and abducted it's own citizens for mind control research called MkUltra
from the sound of the Ar 15 and then hearing the sound of the shooting in vegas that is not an Ar 15 firing those bullets sounds like a BAR rifle firing some big ammo cause an ar 15 firing from that distance with a bumbstock he would be lucky to hit the road before hitting people it is not accurate with the bumpstock
As a brit i find it mind boggling that the public can own these things legally, although i can totally see why youd be pissed right off if you were suddenly told you couldnt have them any more. I think people have just got to except the fact these shootings are the norm for a young country that has evolved with firearms interweaved within the fabric of society, guns are in Americas dna.
Interesting that they haven't determined what the shooter actually used. And yet the ATF has hastily put out a notice of proposed regulation change that'll change the definition of machine gun so that the bump stock falls under that definition. It'll probably be banned. As another poster pointed out, one doesn't need a bump stock to bump fire a semi-auto. So, the ATF's re-definition of machine gun is just more "feel-good" or "do-something" legislation. Oh wait, it's not being banned through a legislative process....
One thing that really bothers me is that we kept hearing that one/many were modified, but not that they were actually used...except by the media and certain government officials. The sound of the shooter’s rounds sound much more like full auto than a bump stock..including the breaks in firing when aim was shifted.
I suspect that most weapons used were fully auto, and that this shooter may not have been alone. Given how the US government has sued false flag ops in the past...let’s just say I’m skeptical as to the official report.
Do bump stocks raise the rate of fire? Yes. Are they as reliable and accurate as a full auto? Nope. Can a shooter maintain a high rate and degree of accuracy for so long using a bump stock rifle? Not even close...and especially not from an elevated perch at such range. The entire official position seems more than a little suspect.
Can somebody please do an experiment to see how distance affects the sound of a weapons rate of fire? I like where the theorists are going that it sounds like a belt-fed machine gun instead of an AR but I don't think they're taking sound and distance into consideration.
Um those are modified cuz there is no way he pulled his finger that fast cuz ar-15 a round is discharged when u pull the trigger either his finger is really fast which is rare or he modified that weapon
Heres a comparison between bump stock/slidefire that WASNT jerry-rigged to make it look more tame. Same "finely tuned upper for full auto" with a auto lower and semi with slidefire. YES full auto is faster... by about 50 rounds per minute
Why didn't the news make the time count consistent? No pause with the 1st test or the 3rd test. The 2nd test was more like 3 seconds, not 4 seconds when you remove the 2 hesitations, which makes it even closer to the fully automatic weapon.
The general American obsession with guns as an ego crutch is still the main problem. These enthusiastic experts are just "feeding it rounds," so to speak. They are like robots. People need to get morals and egos that aren't attached to machines like guns, cars and motorcycles. I see gun nuttery as a symptom of general shallowness, often favored by less intelligent people who need to make noise and chaos to be a "somebody." If that offended anyone, it was meant to.
P.S. That anchor looks like Dan Rather, rebooted.
listen to the weapons experts. The weapons used in the Las Vegas shooting was NOT and AR (doesn't stand for 'assault rifle' for the uneducated) and were a larger caliber weapon that couldn't use a bump stock if you glued it on the back.
The expert in this demo was dogging it when he shot the semi-auto. His time using the semi was longer than most people could have done it. Jerry Miculek can shoot a semi almost as fast as a bump stock. It's the person not the tool. The speed a semi shoots is only determined by the shooter and the mechanics of the firearm. All a bump stock does is make a firearm shoot as fast as the mechanics of firearm.
I see the concern there. However, the firing rate of Rifle A, B, and C does not have real impact when you are shooting unarmed helpless people. Dig up the 150 million unarmed dead people killed by their gov't in the last 100 years and ask them. The auto feature was removed from the A2 in my time replaced with the 3 round burst so Marines would not waste rounds in the field shooting at nothin. Well aimed rounds and level head was always the best method taught so it doesn't matter when you got sittin unarmed ducks just jumpin around and looking at you. The answer is lock up the schools when it starts, arm willing trained teachers, and introduce armed roving guard teams with rifles.
When the untrained shooter and his bump stock starts spraying in your direction take cover. When he is done catch him during his slow reload or when his weapon malfunctions. Accuracy + strategy over fast and inaccurate any day. Chump stocks.
There has got to be a better way to protect our school kids than current practices. I have no idea even where to start, with one definite exception, that is to have competent, law officers, who without hesitation for their own safety, enter a situation like this last Florida school shooting. Hiding yourself while gunfire can be heard, knowing full well innocent lives are in danger, not to mention young school kids is just so wrong I really can't come up with the words. This so called Law Officer needs to be immediately fired, pension gone, and in some way be held responsible for these 17 lives lost. How can he look in the mirror. He has no right to hold the position he has and by God, take the badge away. I don't know how we can stop all this violence we have in our schools but damn, we need to do something NOW.
Where do we start?
We want to make these bump stocks illegal but is that not counter productive? It makes the weapon less accurate. Everyone seen on paper (non moving target) on how well it was consistent. I lean toward more conservative. However I believe we need a tighter system and I believe people should pass training and a mental health check before obtaining weapons. I’m also the same person that believes full auto should be legal also.
I’m also pro police and I’m not into conspiracy theories. After all these years though, the Las Vegas shooting had a lot going on that made no since. This guy was not alone and he was not the only one shooting. The pictures, the story and the law enforcement timeline did not add up. For one thing why did he need all those guns? All he needed was a semi auto Ar15 or AR10 to do even more damage and be more accurate to bring more death. Why was he wearing gloves? Why was he shot at a odd angle? NONE of it makes any since.
uh uh but um someone told me banning bump stocks was just um stupid cause you can buy um lots of uh um weapons with firing rates higher than the recorded fire rate of that um last vegas massasscre
but um your camera is pointed on someone that says um too much maybe yuou should um nab your own professional
Now President Trump is falling in line with these one world government fascists and banning what ANY criminal can print on their 3D printer at home! It doesn’t increase rate of Fire in any appreciable way and actually DEGRADES the accuracy!! It’s a SHAM! ! A RUSE!! Las Vegas was a Government inside job! The criminal FBI is obscuring the facts for that Democrat Commie that killed those people! The entire FBI leadership were DEMS!! President Trump, you had better realize that you cannot take the side of these Commies against our Second Amendment Rights! Criminals DONT RESPECT LAWS AMD REGULATIONS AMD CERTAINLY NOT, EXECUTIVE ORDERS!! You are doing NOTHING to prevent the next massacre! The next mass murderer already has his weapons! Executive Order, Armed Guards into our schools NOW!!
This guy is an "expert" and he still had a lapse in rate of fire with a bump.
There is no way a guy [Paddock] with no weapon experience would be able to sustain that rate of fire.
I don't believe he was the shooter for 1 second.
Like some commenter said, the problem is crazy people. That and, enough anger can make someone shoot someone, even a normal person can reach those levels of anger. They should not give guns to people who are easily angered, though I don't know how effective a test would be...
listen to the first - nope. 2nd - maybe for one of the shooters. 3rd - hell no. too fast. NOW - a belt fed? look it up- yourself --- the ROF (rate of fire) = perfect for the other sounds on many witness vids.