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"Feminism" "Social Justice"
I'm sorry, have we been watching the same Trek all these years? Social progressiveness is at the very core of Gene's vision. Trek brought the first interracial and gay kisses to television, and addressed so many philosophical and contemporary issues that it boggles the mind whenever I hear anyone rant about "ess jay dubbyas" ruining the franchise. Discovery and 1 out of 2 of the JJ movies are garbage, but not because of feminism or social justice.
Star Trek WAS about Social Justice anyway, a lot of themes are in line with tolorence and acceptance so I don't get that point about Discovery being "infested" with social justice. I found it was actually better then Star Wars because it had flawed characters. Burnham is flawed and I found myself hating her to begin with and then liking her at the end of the season.
A lot of the anti-STDers got upset about the so-called political correctness and they let this bias the rest of their opinions of the show. Either these people aren't Trekkers and are oblivious to the fact Star Trek has ALWAYS been progressive or they have never watched Star Trek. For example, which show had a completely racially interracial kiss & diverse cast (TOS), and even gender equality (TNG). The biggest criticism on that I can give is perhaps it wasn't subtle enough for conservatives to pretend it wasn't progressive. Oh, and don't give me the Orville is better than STD crap. IT'S NOT TREK. FYI - MacFarlane is a progressive: "MacFarlane is a supporter of the Democratic Party. He has donated over US $200,000 to various Democratic congressional committees and to the 2008 presidential campaign of then-U.S. Senator Barack Obama." Source: Wikepedia, "In 2015, MacFarlane revealed support for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and he introduced Sanders onstage at a Los Angeles rally. After the primaries, MacFarlane then supported Hillary Clinton for president during the general election." - Source Wikipedia. So if anybody wants to watch brain dead a-political sci-fi, you're a Star Wars fan and should go watch that.
Voyager is a lot better than Discovery....I mean the intials for this show sums it up It's an STD! I never liked DS9. Babylon 5, the show that DS9 ripped off, was a lot better.Discovery is typical SJW crap....unwatchable.
You idiots are complaining about social justice in Star Trek? It's like watching Grease and saying "I hated it when they started singing and dancing". What the hell did you expect when you watched Grease?
I agree 100 percent. You know when a show is released and initially people aren't sure if they like it . . . But. . Over time there's something special about it and it gets a strong fan following it's disturbing the producers just guve.up on it or try to exploit the fans with shutty spin off crap. My point. Star trek was good because it explored culture race and relationships. Humanity. It. wasnt about explosions shinny lights and pornographic outfits. There was meaning behind why things were the way they were. Thing a were a bit slower paced because there's value into taking time with making characters the audience will actually identify and like. Ie the crew of serenity. That show I fell in love with because I could relate to and identify with the crew and thier problems and quirks. Plus they were funny and bad ass at the same time. Cor me star trek was about the friendship of the officers and there missions that both questioned our civility and humanity while not being afraid to say we fuck up from time to time. Almost nothing produced in the last 20 years has done that with a few notable exceptions. Game of thrones serenity a small PART of the potter series and Lord of the rings did a but of development on the characters but very littlw.compared to the books. Quite a lot of story telling and character development is so surface in most movies, I can't really say I enjoy them or find them memorable. Ah widely I have to include John Carter. There was some.good flashback.moments and character dev. In that one I enjoyed. Sadly the critics panned it and the chi kinda sucked. The actors in it were all pretty damn cool though totally underrated film. Good storey by Burroughs.
As an avid fan for 50 years,Next to TOS,I prefer ST:Enterprise for the 'real,fallible people and Technology that led to TOS.
Archer, TRIPP and helmsman Maywether come across as real people.Admiral Forrest is in this role there,too.
T'pol is very believable as1st officer.
In TNG,Picards left-wing,elitist rants against capitalism irritated me to no end.
I don't like STD that much, but I honestly don't get all the fuss about it being SJW... I mean Star trek has ALWAYS BEEN SJW... It was the first show ever to feature an interracial kiss, it had a Russian, a black and an Asian in command positions, I mean, it was kind of its point!
I agree. I don't like prequels, either. The outfits and technologies and always too advanced from the originals, _particularly_ in science fiction. I also am very wary of "alternate realities." I watched some _Enterprise_ out of curiosity, as a local channel is showing the different series in order (and the animated series on Sundays), and I will admit that there are a few interesting episodes, but nothing to connect me to the series. One of the annoying things was seeing Archer's beagle. I like beagles (though, not on my Top 10 List), but I don't watch Star Trek for creatures I can see at work (I'm a private pet sitter), especially in later Star Trek series.
Yeah, had minimal interest in the show, and it just keeps declining. What is somewhat interesting about the ship design, is it is not an unused design from the original TV Enterprise. It was a Ralph McQuarrie (you know the guy who designed all the Star Wars ships and looks) design for the first Star Trek the Motion Picture, that went unused.
Seeing someone deride Trek for being diverse and progressive is hilarious.
What show have you been watching for the past several decades?
Star Trek has always been about social justice, feminism and equality in all it's forms.
Seeing a man angrily yell about it being PC is too rich.
RLE Linney4 are u aware of something called history.....? Let me explain it to u ...women have been treated like shit by the elite though out it all .....good u r now up to speed with all history......now we are on the same page .........ps calling some on a troll is just so weak if u r so upset don’t respond back ....it amazing I have to point this out to u to
you asked what was wrong with woman being center stage, I replied stating nothing and you proceed to label and name call. You are a troll and not worth the time to debate, so i said the logical thing.... STFU. and this ends here.
even a female is leading the klingons, by holding them hostage??? klingons will fight to the death, but im sure no one, not a single klingon will challange this woman, who has no right to lead them, who fought no one and is holding them HOSTAGE.. this klingon leader should be assinated since i am sure she will never accept a real challange.
I just can't watch past you shitting on enterprise. It might be looking out, but it was a damn fine "building out" of the universe.
I am sick of the folks I follow on youtube turning out to be gaping fucking soy boy cuck faggots. and worse than that, grasping their pearls and hitting the fainting couch when stuff tends to go in a direction they don't like. Would have been pleased if you gave the show a chance, instead of acting like a "SJW" about it all. Jesus you people are weak. No wonder the Irish are STILL being owned by great britian. Fuck off cullen, hope your mom died BEFORE she see you become a weak little bitch. I suspect she knew though.
I'm trying to figure out if you are attempting at altruism by your obvious displeasure of social justice and feminist issues and you want more balance with said issues or.......you're just another conservative, imbecilic dinosaur.
"Enterprise" had real issues with sticking to accepted cannon. That hurt "Enterprise" for me. The new "alternate timeline" movies pretty much suck. I watched the first episode of "Discovery" and it definitely doesn't interest me very much, especially since CBS wants us to pay for it. A human raised on Vulcan? Please! And the angst? Ugh!
Sorry, but DS9 was BOH-RING! It was basically "The Love Boat" in space.
You had the promenade deck.
Quark in the bar was essentially Isaac.
Doc was banging anything that moved.
Sisko was the grumpy old captain Stubing.
And those rascally kids always getting into hijinx.
Seriously. The Love Boat. In space.
Watch all 7 seasons of DS9 and come back and tell me if you feel the same. The Dominion war arc was some of the best storytelling, action and space combat in Star Trek history. The show really took off after Season 4.
Yeah, this franchise screwed the pooch all the way around. I saw the fan film, "Axanar". Although the people involved can not be called your average fan, they did seem able to hit much closer to the mark as far as fans are concerned. That video really got my attention. To bad the franchise decided to kill it instead of getting behind the project. What are they up to anyway? It's like they're saying, "This gold mine belongs to me, don't touch it. All you Star Trek fans out there, we know what you like so shut up". So condescending. Well, their gold mine is gonna dry up if they can't be more open minded. "Orville" seems to be a good alternative at this point. And a lot of fun besides.
1:37 You think feminism is an infestation? Some of the strongest, most well-written female characters not only came from Star Trek, but improved the franchise. You should take a hard look at your views.
I have one question: Why is this not a sequel to the reboot movies?
It uses the Abrams aesthetic, the abramsthetic, so why wouldn't it play in the Abrams timeline? I mean, this is clearly made for the fans of the reboot, so make it a sequel to the reboot.
I liked Enterprise I liked the constraints it set. I liked the limitations they had to face instead of all this near magical "devices" always solving the problem in the end. Space seemed "scary" again. Granted it had it's weak episodes. The Xendi arch was pretty good although it was too little too late.
The prime universe and the JJ Universe are pretty much one in the same up to about 2234, when Kirk was born, and Discovery tix place in 2258 so technically it's the JJ universe. But there was no change to it other than with the Kelvin. However it is definitely the JJ universe.
Voyager is weak?
Enterprise is weak?
Voyager is literally the best Star trek out of all series!
Explore new worlds and new civilizations!
Isn't this a point of star trek?
DS9 is nothing like it, you just sit in the station and have drama with the same old species.
It's good, like Babylon 5, but definitely not the best star trek show.
Why does it anger men so much if there's a female character in anything? In the 24th century everything will be equal, we hope, and it could be a woman or a man in command, no one will care. If something is almost totally male, like Star Wars for many years, no one says it's a manish show, its slanted towards male values or suggests women can't do anything and need men to rescue them, but as soon as a female hero arrives its suddenly feminist and slanted! Grow up guys, women ARE equal, they can fight and fly fighters and all that, so live with it and stop thinking you're better.
Prequels and alternate universes ... and if done too much ''time travel'' , these are the three grave stones of Sci-fi for me.
1) Prequels - are Always bad
2) Alternate Universes - Bloody annoying if it's just used to stomp all over canon (like destroying Vulcan), keep it to the ''Mirror Universe'' type of stuff and go back to the original Universe after a glimpse, or don't bother.
3) Time travel - is fine for one episode or a two part story, TNG, DS9 and Voyager all had perfect time travel usage, the time war in Enterprise was very hit an miss, if you rely on time travel too much things just get needlessly annoying and it becomes a quasi alternate Universe. Stupid.
What is your goal here? So the show isn't making you happy? What do you hope to accomplish? People really like where the show is going and your whining isn't going to change that. You want things to stay the same forever then go watch the reruns. Good luck on your crusade though.