Is this addictive quality also true for Dextroamphetamine? For Ritalin? Thank you for sharing this important information. I believe all the information you have presented, especially the addictive aspects. It has made me think more than twice about requesting it from my doctor.
I've just started taking vyvanse but seeing this and reading the comments is making me worried. It's the only thing that let's me read and write without losing focus or forgetting what I'm writing about mid sentence. Im not sure what to do. I've tried everything else and nothing works like Vyvanse.
Does vvyanse affect memory and motivation? And if it does can you reverse it? I was on 70mg and stopped 2 years ago but I don’t really feel the same. It’s like it’s harder to form sentences or think abstractly. Not only that I’ve been diagnosed with depression.
Whoa! YouTube just messed with my account and made it difficult for me to access my account for posting the links to the Vyvanse reports I've posted here.
Somethings up people.
That wasn't cool.
I'm just trying to help.
Vyvanse WILL fcuk you up!
Shame on the crooked so called "doctors" that push it and the bastards that make it. I've taken it for six years and it totally turned my entire life to shit. Contributed to two strokes.
Here is a link to a very good site where others who have taken Vyvanse and other drugs, report their side effects:
Please have your parents look at this if your "Doctor" has prescribed it for you. It's not safe.
PLEASE, anyone considering taking this shit, read these reports.
Don't let what happened to me happen to you.
I was prescribed vyvanse 15 mg when I was around 14 years old. I'm 18 now and can easily take 125 mg of dexedrine in a day as well as 60 mg of adderall. All the stuff you said it true. I'm just bored of life when I don't take them. I have no motivation to do anything and I can sleep for days on end. My mom always tells me I'm gonna have a heart attack and I just don't feel like I will. The doctors did a heart trace on me 2 years ago and said if I keep abusing ADHD medication I will die. I'm still here though, so I kind of feel invincible which I guess is how everyone feels untill they overdose one day and don't see it coming.
I'm screwed. Neglegent Drs after weight loss surgery lack of stomach acid made higher levels of Adderall in my system now my life is push and crash. I've lost six years. I had no idea what it was till years later. Just thought it was changes cuz if surgery. Now I'm climbing a sawed off ladder. Knowing my time is almost up. It's weird. And to tell you the truth I'm gone already....
This is 100% true in my case. I was taking Adderall for 10 yrs or so and stopped taking it in April 2017. It's now November and I still don't feel like myself. I have 0 motivation, always tired, can't focus, can't work, getting fat, and just wanna die.
Our bodies were designed to work in a jungle? That's dated thinking mate. Modern-day humans have adapted through evolution. Obviously these are slowly introduced changes, but it is true. I am speaking from the sources of academic journals and research.
I abused vyvanse for about a year wanting to do top notch in school and I do think I have pretty bad damage it's been 7 months since I cut myself off.
My symptoms now are difficult concentrating, almost like there's a constant fuzz over my brain, and daily headaches still. Two things I never had before. I don't think I had ADHD.. just maybe more prone to depression and anxiety, and got myself a prescription..
I worked my way up to about 100 mg daily of vyvanse, toward the end taking an average of 140 with caffeine. It got me an internship at tesla.. but I ended up breaking down there and now my brain really doesn't feel the same.
Don't take them if you don't have to. Watch motivational videos every day if that's what it takes. I feel like I have Alzheimer's daily
Francis Gallant well this would be your butt drinking coffee.. So yeah, either way, you're still crapping😉 But this is healthier than drinking it because you're getting rid of toxins, parasites, and lbs of stored waste in the liver, gallbladder, and bowels... Just google it or look it up on YouTube. 👀There's plenty of studies on it..
Please consider coffee enemas, chelation, and heavy metal cleanses.. Its so hard to find information on healing from medications and drugs, but you can reverse (some) damage.. Sometimes a lot of damage.. You need to cleanse your liver and brain tissue. These ways are the best way to do so..
It's very difficult to explain neurology. That doesn't mean we shouldn't. But you should be careful how you explain it. You're leaving a lot to the imagination, in the way you explained it. Leaving people to jump to conclusions and make irrational beliefs. You have to realize a lot of people will listen to the first example and stop watching the video. Try to give clear examples, if you can't then don't bother?
I have taken vyvanse for 6 years and it has deeply affected my life. I am only 15 years old. I have no real friends I can't communicate with other people because I think of what can go wrong when I talk to them so I just avoid talking to them in total and when I do all I can talk about is what school work and what I have or haven't done. Vyvanse has ruined my childhood. I remember before I was taking it I had tons of friends and was the class clown, I would get invited over to people's houses every weekend. Now, I havent been invited over to someone's house in over 2 years. I am very independent and sometimes I wander in a reservoir near my house for hours a day. I fell extremely lonely and I try to talk to girls. I see them looking at me a lot and I always make eye contact with them and they'll smile but the same thing happens with talking about school work. The people I go to school with I don't like, we have nothing in common at all I've tried to get into the shows they watch and the sports they play but I just wasn't good at it or my parents couldn't afford it. Whenever I take the medication on the weekend when I'm not thinking about school I am giggling a lot and stupid things. I'll see a weird shaped water bottle and start laughing and then tell myself "it's not really funny it's just the vyvanse making you think it is". In class I'll sit there by myself while people around me talk. I am alone. I'll try to comment on things but no one laughs. It wares off around 5 which is when I should start but homwework but I don't. I procrastinate until around 1am. I know I should be tired the next day but vyvanse keeps me awake. vyvanse has ruined my life and I'm only 15 I've tried to quit but I get extremely depressed whic I already am on vyvanse so it is multiplied by 5 when I'm off of it. I do not suggest you take vyvanse or any other drug to make you study for more than a year. For it will change who you are forever.
Berberus it most likely will, hon. I've been taking it for about six years now and it's caused me a TON of problems, physical as well as emotional. It felt great at first but after a while things start to go south. It will f your brain up, eye sight, joint problems, kiss your social life bye bye, I could go on and on, but here's a link to a site where people who've taken this shit tell all about their disastrous side effects:
Please stop taking Vyvanse while you're still ahead of the game.
It ain't worth it.
Berberus yeah man, vyvanse will screw you up after a while. I know because I went through a sort of cycle where for the first few weeks I felt great and super talkative but your tolerance will build up to the drug and it will start to make you feel more and more like a robot and you loose the natural ability to feel happy and function without your daily meds. It's a trap, and an endless cycle.
amphetamines do not work like steroids at all plus people who are prescribed adderall have ADD or ADHD which is when the brain on its own does not create enough dopamine and it does not make it so when you are off adderall your brain doesn't forget how to create dopamine but the extra neurotransmitters adderall produces wont stay that way. brain doesn't forget how to do its job after taking meds to help a problem that you have. Plus when humans were jungle mode they had medicine from plants. If you are prescribed adderall long term and a psychiatrist is prescribing it you wont suffer permanent problems, if you abuse adderall long term you can fuck yourself up thats why its legal as prescription and illegal without one.
i think all western medicine is bullshit. im tryng to find my way out of this hell with ayahuasca i decided to start to save up money and fucking stop taking evreything and clense myself. good look to evreyone else
I havnt gotten ayahuasca yet. But i found out that high dosages of psylocibe mushrooms can bring superb spiritual experiences. I have confronted many of my fears, but there is still more to go. anything else pm me. its always good to help others for me.
I agree with some of your points but I feel like we're vastly overgeneralizing here and not getting into some important variables and without that this video sort of predicates a fear module that could deter those who are in serious need of help from these drugs.
Like all drugs have permanent or rather semi permanent effects. It just varies on the levels of caustic impact. Tylenol and Aspirin can and do damage you it just depends on how much you take with what. Alcohol is far more damaging than amphetamine.
The sort of neurological activity that you're describing the video is typical of how amphetamine works. Though not exactly as cut and dry as you describe. The neurons do fire more heightened messages resulting in a plethora of exhibited characteristics and the tolerance level for these drugs can and almost certainly will develop. The rate at which varies from person to person. Tolerance is not indicative of damage but exhaustion, which after prolonged periods of time CAN result in more serious conditions however cessation usually remedies these.
Also, tolerance is typically more inclined to happen with people who are neurotypical. As in people who have nothing neurologically wrong with them and are either being misdiagnosed or taking them recreationally. This can lead to cases like amphetamine induced depression which is difficult to treat but not impossible. It means that the person has depleted all of their dopamine reserves. Recovery is usually attained through dietary measures, exercise and social support to resensitize the individual. They may add on an SSRI like Prozac to help further recovery process. Depending on the length of the person's usage of amphetamine vs their overall health will determine how long it take to get the dopamine reserve back up and likewise see the tolerance to amphetamine to lower and stabilize.
Permanent side affects in the classical sense is not typically something we see with amphetamine largely because there aren't any sites for the drug to bind to which would instigate long term affects, in fact we are in the process now of discovering potential long term benefits, especially since the terrain of indications for amphetamine are expanding. It's not exclusively limited to people with ADHD anymore. Additionally it has been proven to treat conditions like Chronic Fatigue and in rare case such as myself severe clinical depression.
I agree with you that no matter what condition is being treated its always good to go on what doctors describe as "drug holidays" because obviously the less exposure to any chemical the better. Children going on summer vacation typically cease stimulant therapy until the school year starts. For myself if I'm going on vacation or I know I won't be working for a bit or have a a time that doesn't require my utmost concentration I too take drug holidays. But I can say that my life has been vastly improved by a combination of Dexedrine and Vyvanse. I was always suspicious of Adderall over the years but some friends of mine swear by it, it doesn't really agree with me.
Hi, I've been on vyvanse for a year come February and although I've noticed side effects mainly appetite and difficulty sleeping from taking it every day, I have to keep taking it because it makes me feel better then I've felt, it was like I was instantly able to clear my thoughts and hear things the way I was supposed to. Further more when I don't take it I feel awesome still, I will still go out for exercise and wake up early unlike before I started taking it. I am up to 50 mg, and I think it helped pull me out of depression as well as help me control my impulse and it no longer sounds like I'm hearing a million people talk at the same time. Socially though I find I am far more self assured, sometimes to a fault which is helpful but also potentially off putting, but on the upside I also think that it has made me more emphatic and energetic about the things I am interested in. As far as feeling not myself, I still feel like myself regardless of whether I am on it or not, I don't really crave it when I'm not and I can't help but think it's doing good for me as my psychologist suggests. I don't know, I am afraid that if I keep going it could fuck me up though.
I myself am a person who takes vyvanse, and I believe there isn't any permanent side effects. Now, I am probably different from other takers, but I have a very bad gag reflex, and I gag when I take pills mostly because I am scared of them. It seems like a chore for me to take the pill and forcing myself to take it but I haven't been taking it over the summer or weekends- I feel fine. I only take it for school and I never feel the NEED to take it to feel normal. And let me mention that when people
stop taking the medicine, they dont feel themselves because they're so used to to taking it that over a period of time that they aren't used to being back to square one. If you haven't taken it and gone through the symptoms during it, you really don't know or understand the use of it because your'e not the one with the moderate or severe ADHD, and if you have pictures of brains as they do whatever you call "damaging" from this medicine, i'd love to see it because all your'e doing is really talking nonsense unless you can show it bud. And a lot of the time, the people that checked their old facebooks, have grown up and matured more. ofcourse your'e missing something because you have grown up more and learned more.
+Kerri Shaw I agree; I've been taking adderall for over 3 years now (for ADHD) and I really don't see how anything would be permanent unless you have a very addictive personality and move on to using meth or coke. I never take it over the summer and i rarely take it on weekends, and like you i have never felt the need to take it to feel "normal". There are withdrawal symptoms but those pass.
I used Vyvance for 1 year daily as prescribed.... When I stopped I went through a crippling withdrawal, it was a depression that completely took over me. Even 5-6 months after I feel like Im still not quite 100% but Im much more functional..People need to be really careful with stimulants.
RioMtl94 im giviing naturall supplements a shot like l tyrosine and rhodiola, if they arent working, im jumping on vyvanse, i rather take the side effects off vyvanse than have an early parkisons or dementia disorder because i have such a low dopamine level that i cant walk proberply
Weather or not amphetamines or methlyphenidate cause any permanent changes in the brain is questionable. One reason many amphetamine users report not feeling like them selves after prolonged use is because of receptor down regulation which from my understanding heals over time completely from abstained use. And neuroscientist Carl Hart also challenges the argument that amphetamines will cause any permanent side effects in the brains of humans. He argues that the animal studies were flawed because the amount they used in the experiments where way larger than any human would take. He says that amphetamines being neurotoxic is a factual claim but only in massive doses that no person would consume
So essentially what you're saying is, any ADHD medication will have long term dependency. So what would you recommend for somebody like me with ADHD that "Cripples" so to speak my ability to function properly. And are there any Medications for ADHD that don't have such high long term side effects.
you say damaging . like what kind of damage .I have been locked up in the county jail 6 times.The addiction to nicotine , caffeine and sugar is what made me so miserable . I would have traded ten bottles of adderall and my sister for a pot of coffee, large canister of sugar and a carton of cigarettes . Not once did i think about adderall. If i dont have addy then I'm stupid. I was that way before i took it . Thats why I take it
Great video, I'm confused about one thing though. You are saying that the body reacts negatively to the difference in neurotransmitters, but people with A.D.H.D already have a difference in neurotransmitters because norepinephrine and dopamine don't stay around long enough in them. I was under the impression that the stimulant helps keep these neurotransmitters around longer. What your saying sounds like it applies more to people taking these drugs who have a normal brain chemistry (no A.D.H.D), because then the brain would be over flooding with those neurotransmitters rather than offsetting the lack of them.
I had a shit time after quitting vyvanse, just got diagnosed at age 23. This is the main question I have tried to look up, and every "reliable/scientific" source(including my psych) basically say no long term effects is proven and so on. My brother said exactly the same as you, but I didn't quite believe him until now. I mean, these pills are paid by the government here in Norway. Given to children and shit, but it might help some despite all the greed.
Your channel is very interesting, please keep it up! And try not to die as your friends did. :(
+Geir Osmund Aamlid Thanks man, they can be, just like amputating a leg can help, its just depends on if the price is worth the benefits, but to pretend there is no downside is misleading and false.
In my opinion the problem at least in the United States, is that school before college is to easy. I went through the whole thing without opening a book, not because I'm smart everyone does, because it was that easy. Lots extra credit, easy tests. Homework doesn't need to be correct. There are people that went to my school who could barely read and graduated.
When people finally get to a place where study discipline is needed, its hard, because they have never done it. Its like if someone who never did any sports their whole life were all of a sudden thrown onto a sports team. They will have poor endurance, slow reflexes, weakness, ect. That wouldn't be unexpected, because they have never done it before, and its the same with studying.
You wouldn't give everyone steroids, although it would immediately help, because a hormonal deficiency is not the problem, its a lack of training and the side effects are severe. Those deficiencies do exist, but are very rare.
Its the same with these study drugs and like steroids most people after a while end up quitting them, because of the side effects and they realize they just never learned how to train or study properly.
Thanks I'll try not to, but I ride a motorbike and there are a lot knuckles driving cars around here, which mean a lot really old people driving around and they'll hunt you down eventually!
+ONEEZE Well it would have to do with the drug itself because different ADD drugs work in entirely different ways on completely different parts of the brain and have completely different side effects. Some aren't even in the stimulant category.
+cyberlogy It doesn't have anything to do with the drug itself. These reactions are the body's reactions to the increased neurotransmitters.
Anything that increases the neurotransmitter will give the same effects. The body generally doesn't react to most medications, because it evolved without them and therefore doesn't know to look for them. Most of the time what people think are reactions to a drug are actually the body's reaction to the drug's effects on the body and not the drug.
It doesn't matter the compound. Those all natural things remedies people talk about as well will have the same sort of side effects, if it raises those neurotransmitter levels. Its the body reacting to the effects. That is why they have such similar side effect profiles.
Worth to mention, Shire has published an interesting "Prescribing Information" pdf for vyvanse that is publicly available on their site. Shire has clearly went above and beyond with the info regarding Pharmacokinetics and the toxicity of this drug. Whats interesting, if you actually take you time to read it all, you will have quite a very different outlook on this drug, than you may have had when the doctor explained and prescribed it you.
+Timmieisblack Could you summarize a bit for me? I'm a Vyvanse addict who gets off with 1-2 week early scripts via dose changes that often for various reasons. The doc seems to go along with it for some reason , even knowing I'm an addict which is weird to me. It's like it's gotten to the point where he'll do anything I ask with the Vyvanse.. he won't rx dexamp or Adderall but still. I'm getting to the point where I'm almost ready to admit my addiction to him (since September) as I'm feeling it's probably having perm. effects on my cardiac health. I get winded just going on a short walk, like severely winded for a minute.
Are you talking about routine prescription use or casual abuse, or both? And is it your opinion that use of these things causes permanent damage even after an extended cessation of use, or does the body and brain recover over time? Thanks for the vid
Both, as to the extent who can say. I would recommend you talk to people who have done as you say, used then ceased. Often they will go back on much later and its never like the first time, they will start at a higher dose than the first time they started originally, which would lead one to believe that even in therapeutic quantities there are some permanent effects after cessation.
Just as anytime something is damaged, its possible to fix it up pretty good, like a broken leg or knee, but it will never be 100% and this is much more complex, without any medical assistance. How noticeable will vary by individual. I have found that people who have very vibrant personalities, are very creative, or very thoughtful seem to be the most affected by it. More so than people who do things that require less mental agility. People with those type of traits I have found often are the ones who continue to take it, because they feel like they can't get back to where they were with out it.
Again just my observations. Im not saying its bad, its just a tool and the cost may be worth it. I wouldn't take my word for it, I would find people in your life who have taken it, ask them and come to a conclusion from there, but there is little doubt that there are very real effects.
Thanks for watching!