Fish Oil Myth: Fish oil is high in PUFA and easily goes rancid. Most fish oils on the market are rancid before they get to the consumer. Where did the fish oil fad come from? Examine the concept of "need" for Omega 3 fatty acids, and questioning the idea that you need to get any types of fatty acids from fish oil at all. Studies showing negative hormonal effects too.
The Reason and the beginning of this myth:
Fish oil is high in DHA and EPA which are commonly seen to be beneficial for heart health by lowering blood pressure, reducing inflammation, reducing risk of strok3 and heart attack, and reduce the chance of abnormal heart rhythm. However there is little to no evidence that supports this theory and has been seen as common knowledge throughout the health industry. Instead of questioning whether or not fish oil is beneficial to health doctors have just passed down this common idea throughout the decades not realizing the detrimental effects that it can actually have on human health. The first recorded prescription of fish oil was in 1789 in Manchester for the alleviation of joint pain for an elderly woman. The woman had severe joint pain and was unable to function properly, the doctor prescribed her cod liver oil to be used topically and ingested at the same time. The issues subsided. Exactly one year later the issues came back and was alleviated once again.There were a couple of things the doctor did not take into consideration however, the first being that she was taking other medication to help with the same problem. The second thing was that the woman had the same issues at the exact same time of year which could have easily been an issue with the barometric pressure of the atmosphere during that time of year putting more pressure on the joints. All this said does fish oil really help? Is it really healthy?
Fish oil is made up of almost if not purely polyunsaturated fatty acids. This is ideal for a fish that lives in a cold environment and needs a fat that is liquid at super low temperatures in order to survive. If it had saturated fat then it would stiffen up and sink straight down to the bottom of the ocean. However due to the nature of the fat this is not ideal for the human body. This means that the fat is only stable at low temperatures, when exposed to any kind of higher temperatures, or in the presence of light the fats (like omega-3) become oxidized, and produce free radicals that wreak havoc on the sensitive tissue in the human body, especially the reproductive organs, thyroid, and the brain. Obviously this mean that cooking with them is out of the question, but what about the famous fish oil supplements? The ones that are supposed to help with joint pain by lubricating your joints and help to decrease inflammation?
This is a complete lie. During the manufacturing process the fish oils are exposed to both heat and light causing them to become oxidized, and then when put into storage they are exposed to eve more light making them become even more rancid. This leads to the impossibility to find a fish oil supplement that is not oxidized and thus does not contain free radicals. This actually leads to more inflammation in the human body and causes even more joint, tissue, and brain damage.
What if I was able to find a fish oil supplement that was not oxidized and extracted properly and makes it all the way from the fish to me in one piece? With the likelihood of this being very slim, once you consume the fish oil, it does the exact same thing that it would in the manufacturing and storing process. Because the human body is of relatively high heat, especially compared to a fish, the fish oil oxidizes in the presence of that heat that is produced by the human body. It is actually called auto oxidation which is the automatic oxidation of the fish oil as soon as it is in the presence of the human body. Leading to the formation of the free radicals and all of the contributing downregulating effects.
Oxidation and free radical studies
Some of the claims of fish oil benefits are helps to prevent diabetes (proven wrong), helps prevent obesity (proven wrong), lowers blood pressure (it doesn’t), help improve cardiovascular health and hdl cholesterol (actually does the opposite), and helps with brain health(it does not).
Oxidation and free radical studies
Some of the claims of fish oil benefits are helps to prevent diabetes (proven wrong), helps prevent obesity (proven wrong), lowers blood pressure (it doesn’t), help improve cardiovascular health (actually does the opposite), and helps with brain health(it does not). The best fish oil is no fish oil at all.
All 87 omega 3 fish oil myth sources can be found here - https://thermodiet.com/fish-oil-myth-christopher-walker-video-medical-references/
Dude, please refrain from using the picture of you ‘shirtless’ as the thumbnail of the video. I am not sure how old you are, but you would do favour to everyone if you would wear at least a t-shirt for at least, at this speed give it or take 3 or 4 more years. By then, if you keep working out 3-4 days per week you should be able look cool.
By the way, i went through some of the studies you have linked and started wondering if you have actually understood them.
I can't deny the benefits Omega-3s give me.
1 clearer mind
2 higher limbido.
3 the general feeling of Wellness
4 lower stress levels.
5 better concentration
I love that these videos are backed by studies.
Thanks for the video...
surely when fish oil enters our bodies we immediately start to digest it so its no longer in Storage & oxidising as our bodies are breaking it down, dont we oxidise everything even when we breath? sorry not a doctor but if fish oil is oxidising in our bodies doesent all food Oxidise in the digestive process,
All the Bad Press is referring to OXIDISEDoils of which according to one of your study's is 40 % of 171 brands in US-says alot about how many bad companies who should be sued for not safeguarding their produce, there are out there, Why have you dismissed all fish oil , your discussing rancid oxidised oil which is bad for you-rancid anything is bad, oxidised is over,, Its like dismissing all fruit even fresh from the tree because you researched old rotten fruit ready for bin , why don't you discuss evidence or lack of evidence for UNOXIDISED OIL
What about cold pressed oil which is then stored in dark bottles to reduce light contamination then transported in refrigerated trucks to retailers who sell the capsules in bottles stored in refrigerators and with a use by date, its like a piece of fish keep it in the fridge not in the warm room,
You cant just dismiss fish . oil like that , there is no evidence that UNOXIDISED fish oil causes increased inflamation and damage CV health again the trials refer to OXIDISED OIL
run the same trial with UNOXIDISED COLD PRESSED, in one of your negative on fish oil studied the oil was oxidised by the researchers twice a day and the volunteers in the study who were they? healthy or unhealthy, if they were all young and healthy they may not have any inflamation so wont show a difference
Looks like you aren't even reading the studies that you're showing. For example, literally at 20:21 it says on the screen a direct contradiction to what you're saying. Same with many of the other studies where they are posing questions, not making any claims in the favor you are saying. Everyone, don't take this guy's word, go and read the studies yourself. Yes, perhaps the suppliments are rancid but don't stop eating the fresh fish, our ancestors have had fish as a staple for thousands of years if not forever.
Why is omega 6 pills like soy bean and corn and crisco claimed to be so unhealthy and pro inflammatory on the body? So they also oxidize? The human body needs Omega 3 Essential fatty acids, so where should we get it from?
Please, I'd like someone with scientific knowledge to answer this very simple and logic reasoning, it would be great if Christopher Walker would answer himself, I am also a big fan of him and I found most of his video very interesting.
Ok let's start, In this video all the PUFA have been demonised as TOTALLY unhealthy as it is the general trend on EVERY video on the internet for at least the past 5 years. Assuming this is true and I believe it is, we can consider that into an american standard diet every one can eat on average 20 to 40 grams of these PUFA in their diet , this is done through the most common (and cheap) vegetable oils like: Sunflower or Corn oil, Canola, Soy, Rice and every single cheap oil in the market must by force to be made with vegetable PUFA. Every restaurant on earth use PUFA vegetable oils, they cannot be using other more expensive oils because they would increase too much the price and having cheap meals is the key to selling.
Now this is the KEY point:
1) We must assume that the PUFA-Omega 3 oils we decide to use must NOT be rancid to have beneficial effects, nor the cheapest on the market, cause in this case we can be sure they are already rancid.
OMEGA 3 oils are (also a type of PUFA), but a particular cathegory which icludes important fatty acids like EPA and DHA which are considered ESSENCIAL FATTY ACIDS for our body and this means that our body cannot function properly without them.
Can someone question this last claim ?
Now, how can we compare the amount in grams of PUFA-Omega 3 that we can take in a single day of supplementation to be comparable to the large amount of a 20 - 40 grams of PUFA -Corn-Sunflower oils that we take through an average daily diet ?
Supplementation normally provides an amount of 1 to 3 grams which alone is less than a table spoon, just imagine how many grams of Corn oil we can use in a salad or how many tons can we use in preparing fry food and so on...
The amount of PUFA in an Omega 3 supplementation is ridiculous in terms of gram per gram comparing to an average daily meal.
1or 3 grams of Omega 3 vs 20 to 40 grams of vegetable oils which is at least 10 to 20 times more !!!!!
thank you for making this video. Most supplements are of no use or health benefits. maybe even damaging to the human.
Nature has fish. Eat fish and it has its oil in it. Nature don't make fish oil capsules. Man made is not good when it comes to food. Nature dose food. Only eat nature.
There is a right way and a wrong way to produce fish oil supplement. Most as stated above sell oxidized oils. This is very bad on health. Omegas 3,6 and 9 are proven essential nutrients. I buy my fish oil and other supplements from the best company, Youngevity. Hear it from the Pioneer of health, Dr Joel Wallach. One of his 9 lawsuits against the FDA was that he could make the health claim that thrombotic stroke is an omega 3 deficiency . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeGBqbBzkmQ
Efa plus from Youngevity. https://www.youngevity.net/product/20989.html
I'll start by saying that I don't take fish oil. The research examples you showed all appeared to be epidemiological studies Which are worthless at best. Rabbits don't eat fish. Also how mush fish oil was given to the mice? Then you hopped on the long debunked low fat bandwagon. Now, on to something that's been bugging me about you. Your Redwood supplement is based on research on a certain mix of Garlic oils and vitamin C. In the research Ester-C was used. Ester-C is a complete vitamin C. However, you use Ascorbic Acid in Redwood. Ascorbic Acid is the protective coating of vitamin C and leaves out P, K and Copper. Ascorbic Acid is useless in this formulation. Redwood, in my opinion, is just another vitamin ripoff.
Another thing. You can't hardly do a video now in which you don't put in a dig at the Ketogenic diet. This diet has benefited thousands of diabetics and folks with other ailments such as high blood pressure. Endurance athletes have been thriving on it.
Perhaps the time you spent on your vaunted Duke University Degree would have been better spent on Gender studies or Under Water Basket Weaving. When you stared badmouthing fat you completely lost me.
I noticed onthe thermo diet i felt alive fresh & great as soomas added fish oil / cod live oil (threw this out too) i felt wierf birpy gassy / windwas awful ---- thought oh but i should take fish oil ----- its thebeez knees ----- i noticed when i put fish oil inmy hair ( curly wild dry hair it wen amazing but it stunk my husband couldnt stand it i added cinnamon / musk was better --- thenext day though hair was awful ----- im using avocado oil / macadamia oils now more ------ when did u stop taking fish oils chris i know u used to take it a lot you dont talk about your experience please share --------------------- how you felt how long you took it for
i feel so muchlightere/ clearer cleaner not taking that stinky crap --- so manyfittness people tell you u reall should take it etc i tried it again i had tried it before made my ungrier too i had the melrose brand
in the chiller - no better though id rather eat fresh raw salmon in a pke bowel
the fats ust oxidize even when u cook fish then -------- really and when u coo olives in pasta -- PUFA party of toxic fat yuck!!!!!
Like many have stated, I too agree with most of what you post, excluding this. Like most things, it’s best to make the observations based on the personal outcome. I take krill oil, and I can feel the difference it makes with each dose. That being said, take it if it helps.
This guy is pulling all the bad research out on fish oil just to promote his bullshit Cortigon. Smells fishy to me. Bias much..... there is a century of solid proof that cod liver oil and fish oils have helped people. Fish had been one of the most important staples of the human diet since the dawn of man. This guy......^
I actually was looking for something to confirm the original formula that had DHA in it and my mind was changed by the research because it showed the real effects that it had on the body which is what I talked about in the video.
I googled "positive and negative effects of fish oil on health" which yielded 37,900,000 articles. Chris you covered 80 of those 37.9 mil available to research, lot or room for cherry pickin. BTW, there are 88.9 mil articles on the positive effects on fish oil. Got a lot more homework to do Chris. Not every organization is in the pockets of big biz, here is one that I think is not https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good
2018 article, quick read. As a lay person, I only have so much time to research hence rely on commentators such as Thomas DeLauer and dr Josh Axe, 2 individuals you called into question, for their knowledge. I am 67 and in outstanding health. I have consumed a Mediterranean style diet since a kid since my mother was born/raised in Naples Italy. She lived to 94 and would have kept going if not for a fall. Mediterranean nutrition has seemed to have withstood the test of time in our family and yes, that includes PUFA's in foods including your much maligned walnuts, intact grains and oily wild caught FISH!. WTS, I do use only olive, avocado and algae oil, no red meat, butter, fried foods, grains crushed into a flour, but I am introducing coconut oil in my diet, with caution. Lets see how you are doing at 67, I'll still be around to find out. I do however appreciate, your skepticism.
His most ordered product had DHA in it, and his customers gave rave reviews about its effects, and yet now he's all of sudden going to take the DHA out, eventhough in the beginning of the video he said he had never been a fan of fish oils...lol
I swear these people don't think were listening...lol
Great video my man 👍🏻 although I checked out your website for info on the ThermoDiet and I’m asked to pay $49. I don’t understand why you can’t just give out the information for free and then make money on the products that we need to take... you’d make more money that way. I’m just confused really aha.
If you arent willing to invest in the program you arent going to truly appreciate the value that it is in because you don't have anything to lose. But by just investing a little bit of money you have something to lose that makes you have a sense of responsibility to make some effort to use the information to your advantage
Ok. First for every crazy diet/supplement/drug/ idea/ myth/ theres a study. To really consider a study you will have to do it yourself. What kind of fish, from what part of the world, if farm what were they eating. How was it process, virgin? Extra virgin?... And so on. So many variables. Second, if fish oil will go bad just by body heat. Any cooked fish will be bad. Dr berg came with a video saying that can tuna its no a good omega 3 source. Then he actually grab a bunch of tuna cans and took them to the labs and found a good amount of omega 3 so he had to retract himself.
final, im not gonna say fish oil is good or bad. I always prefer whole foods. I cook my salmon pink inside. Good Oil supplements are really hard to find or expensives. You will have to listen to your body everytime you change something in your diet, and change one thing at the time. Give it some time and have a doctor do a test. Its a lot of work and its the only way.
Why no links? I don't trust anyone's interpretation of a synopsis of a study but my own.
Therefore, I disregard all of these studies and assertions just as I do in a Dr. Greggor video.
Links or they don't exist. Links or there is no science here at all.
Trust but verify.
Here’s the problems folks:
1. IF FISH OIL IS GENERALLY RANCID OR PRONE TO RANCIDITY ....Then we’re these tests
done with rancid fish oil ???? And if so how can the tests be even considered?
2. IF HEAT CAUSES FISH OIL TO GO RANCID...If eating fish is generally good for you AND WE COOK FISH TO EAT IT ... doesn’t that cause the fish oil to be rancid? Doesn’t that seem odd especially since man has been eating fish for the last 5000 + years?
3. Maybe I’m wrong but I think oxygen has to be present to create the rancid oil process...
SOOOO if oil is taken in a cool environment and put into a sealed capsule, how does it go rancid? (Unless of course it’s rancid before they put it in the capsule)
I think the claims smell a little fishy, what say ye?
His research and findings just confirmed my opinion that we should never trust anyone, not even him. On every positive study about something there is same amount of studies that say oposite and vice versa.
As a VERY skeptical viewer, with a solid background in the nutritional sciences and as a type two diabetic, I do agree that fish oils create resistance. I noticed the continuous rising of blood sugars personally with the introduction of these "healthy" oils. I had to stop taking them immediately!! I may not agree with many of his other stances, but this one in my opinion is on the money.
The theory is sound but seems the data suggests that PUFA lead to better triglyceride/cholesterol profile than saturated fats. If you can direct me to publications supporting your theory I would be interested in reading them.
Christopher Walker I had heart palpitations for a few months, and they went away after a week on Captains Krill oil. Been on the oil for a few months now, and all is good. Something is truly not adding up.
I don't eat fish soley because of the polyunsaturated fat. Fatty fish has the highest quality protein we know of, but that's not enough to offset the downside. Here's another thing to consider about fish. There are ethnic groups whose ancestors lived by a seacoast and ate a diet heavy in fish. Their descendants can not make the enzyme that converts vitamin precursors into the actual vitamins. These people are called "obligate carnivores."
You need to be less trusting of studies by becoming aware of disclosures as to which industry is funding the studies. You seem to think that all clinical studies are pronouncements from God. They are results that favor the industry whose products the research is designed to promote. Follow the money before you consider the integrity, or lack thereof, in these often biased studies. That sugary carbs don't spike insulin levels is ludicrous. Gee, these studies couldn't have been funded by an agriculture industry, right? And don't assume that university studies are objective. They are among the worst offenders.
This is why I take fermented skate liver oil, and I'm curious about Solgar's Full-spectrum Wild Alaskan fish oil because it still has the natural astaxanthin in it, which I've heard helps prevent fish oil from going rancid. IDK if that's true or if it's enough if it is true, but it is powerful stuff that's for sure, but it's just enough to tint it red so not a lot.
Fermented skate liver oil isn't really fermented, the livers are fermented and the oil seeps out so it's separated naturally, and the oil doesn't go rancid it can preserve itself for a very long time. Also has the full range of EFA's and other nutrients.
Actually, astaxanthin can help prevent sun damage in fish eggs and even human skin if you take it long enough for your cells to take enough in, that could be why it helps prevent fish oil from oxidizing, so it might even help prevent that during manufacturing. Sundown's Full-spectrum wild Alaskan fish oil has it taken out though for some reason, and comes in an orange plastic bottle not amber glass. That's the only fish oil I take but I've just been taking 3ml of fermented skate liver oil twice daily, mid-afternoon and before bed. I for sure feel a difference, at least with sleep and dreams but it seems to help me, I love it.
That along with bone marrow, beef brain/liver, and beef organs from Ancestral Supplements are top 'supplements' for me, basically just adequate amounts of several raw beef organs, I don't really see them as supplements because they're literally food.
Love your channel you helped me learn a thing or two, for coming up with a plant-based diet that's intermittent fasting if not OMAD. Grain-free, lots of sprouted and/or fermented veggies and seeds mainly, like quinoa, millet, and amaranth which are really seeds not grains. I think my diet is nut free too actually, almonds I don't think are nuts, not that all nuts are 'bad' but some are, or aren't that great. I feel like I've come up with a really solid diet now, collagen and ghee are the two other main things I get from animals, and black ant extract. Hemp and pea protein as other main protein sources.
I've recently decided to drop coconut oil(though I still take some MCT oil, but accidentally forgot to take it this morning and actually feel better fasting that way possibly but I'll experiment), in favor of raw young coconut yogurt, since a serving has 8g of coconut oil anyway and it's best to get it that way, plus it's raw and probiotic. I should probably add some grass-fed meat too, my parents do catering mainly weddings, and we actually know cattle farmers pretty well and they recently sold us 30lbs of ground grass-fed beef for $3.50 a lbs, I feel like this was meant to be, they'd sell it to us at that for personal use and there's always leftovers anyway. That's cheap even for non-grass fed, am really stoked about that.
Now I just need to be more consistent with it... lol.
You are saying pufas autooxidizes in your body, correct? Thats why you warn people from eating uncooked mackerel and salmon. Pufas are found in olive oil: Linoleic Acid (C18:2), a polyunsaturated omega-6 fatty acid that makes up about 3.5 to 21% of olive oil. Why wouldn’t the pufas in olive oil autooxidize the same as the pufas in uncooked fish?
If you think fish oil is bad, think again because there are thousands of utubes about every food you can imagine they’re all saying all foods are bad.
And again if you think fish oil is good, think again because there are thousands of utubes about every food you can imagine and they’re all saying all foods are good.
Now what the hell are we suppose to eat OR not to eat. It’s very confusing.
It’s funny how almost every supplement out there has pro positive effects and negative effects and we know there is a agenda by the NWO TO DEPOPULATE! disinformation and deception lol 😂 every supplement has this narrative it never ends!
Taking fish oil has been a long money making lie. When you take the fish oil it does not absorb or assimilate in the body to be beneficial. However, eating fish has been proven time and time again without any doubt to be very beneficial.
Fish oil maybe bad for your health, but it made me learn stuff easier prior to which I felt like a zombie. Now I just soak up information in my brain without stress because you know why ? DHA in Fish oil is the same fat as that found in the brain
That argument about rancidity is definitely true. It’s something I considered before buying any fish oil. I ended up buying Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega (naming for reference) which gave me great results for reducing inflammation caused by a minor head injury. I paired this with bio available Curcumin. I’m now taking Fish Oil & Krill Oil daily (1g each). I keep both of them in the refrigerator. I think the research concerning Omega 3’s is too strong to ignore. I mean I hear what you’re saying about these oils in production and shipment, so if one were to obtain Omega 3’s through supplementation what would be best? I like the Krill Oil for the astaxanthin but it probably has the same rancidity risks. I’ve heard of algae oil, never tried it though.
Would skate liver oil be a better source of omega 3's than fish oil. Also, DHA is found naturally in the grey matter regions of the brain in high concentrations, how would consuming DHA be detrimental to the brain?
Yes, when your body is in the optimal state o health we have an abundance of energy that is being released as heat due to the proper functioning metabolic processes in the body. Your body becomes very thermogenic and able to heal itself very efficiently. And you feel pretty awesome too!
Very cool video love the style and knowledge keep them up!!
In your vegetable oil video u mention saturated fat was good for you. So I'm just wondering what fats u recommend and is animal fat bad for you? Coconut oil, olive oil good?
Are those bad for insulin?
Omega 3's have to be good for u right? I'm not saying they must come from fish oil, but they're
Benefits to getting omega 3. What source do you recommend for omega 3?
If cooking the fish oxidizes the fish oils then would raw fish be ok?
I have this personal theory that the reason we as humans are basically hairless compared to other primates and have the ability to swim (compared to other primates) that we must have spent a lot of time in the water hunting for fish during our evolutionary development; making fish a beneficial and perhaps essential part of our diet. Just a theory though. I'd like to get some feedback on this idea.
Brown rice was good , becomes a myth, Flaxseeds were good , becomes myth ,fish oil was also good now becomes a myth ..........Moral of the study ,,eat whatever u want to eat ,see the results by Ur self 🤗🤗if it's work for u ,go for it ...and by the way Have a strong Believe on whatever u r eating,,,,, believe me u will get results at the end (placebo effect).....
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This comment audience is awesome. Very respectful and clearly show your gratitude to a video that goes against a LOT of what we’ve been told. This video of Chris’s and the one on nuts being bad were in my opinion the most challenging for people to get through.
Christopher Walker ... OMG all the krill oil that i've been using . no wonder i wasn't feeling anything different as they always advertise it like it's better than fish oil also i use to buy the pure astaxnthin from red algae but it seems like all myth. I am going to stop buying these things . thank you man love your videos.
Chris this is a great video but you left out there stranger things intro! I can testify to fish oil toxin as can my wife... I could make a short video about our experience with fish oil havoc it caused on both of our health. This was verified and by an MD specialist that fish oil was causing the problem(s) he was correct. He was the only person or doctor I've heard say fish oil was bad news back in 2011. I recently got on it again the problem (tendonitis and few others ) was exacerbated! ( Somebody gave me the bottle to try) I'm convinced this is bad for humans. Thanks for researching this!