The age of batteries is just getting started. In the latest episode of our animated series, Sooner Than You Think, Bloomberg’s Tom Randall does the math on when solar plus batteries might start wiping fossil fuels off the grid.
Do not forget that there is not enough raw material on the earth to replace everything that runs on oil, coal or gas in the form of batteries. What has happened is a very important drop in the standard of living. This level is directly related to the production of energy. The production of wind and solar panels is extremely polluting and very difficult to recycle. The major problems pollution, climate change, famine, revolts, diseases, overpopulation, energetic rupture, and human greed.
The problem with conventional chemical batteries is the necessity for mining of metals like lithium, which in the long term, would not be a sustainable practice. Waste management of batteries is crucial as well. Really hope to see breakthroughs in graphene batteries.
The US government gives subsidies to clean energy sources so that they are able to run even when it demand for power is low in the day. The best thing that can happen is we store clean energy in batteries then utilize that power during peak demand hours. Nat gas plants could still run at optimal capacity and stored renewable power would help make power cheaper for everyone
In concentrated solar powerplants, they can run molten salt trough the pipes in stead of water, and use a heat exchanger to make steam. When there's too much heat they can pump part of the molten salt to an isolated tank and run that trough the heat exchanger at night: stored solar energy without batteries!
This is mixing up two different situations, electric cars and the electric grid.
The electric grid needs stationary energy storage like biofuels or pumped hydro.
Electric cars need a portable energy store like batteries or fuel cells.
I was thinking that we could use hydrogen and fuel cells. I do not know how efficiant this is tho. But imagine having hydrogen elecrtolys stations and hydrogen tanks to be able to then use them in fuel cells to release the current into the grid
Batteries are TERRIBLE for the environment. But for now are a necessary evil. We need pollution efficient factories a.k.a. none Chinese factories who actually single handedly cause global warming as well as their country itself. The future is bright yet bleak.
Batteries, no way, there is a major problem with their tenure as they do not last longer then 5 years and in computers they last barely two years, becoming a major pollution problem. Poeple can switch to trains, tramways and subways instead as we need to get rid of cars which makes many cities unlivable.
They need to get creative here. Chemical batteries are expensive, but why not use a mechanical battery? For example, use excess power to pump water into a high resevour. Then when power demand increases, just release the water and the pumps become generators that produce power. The same can be done in many other ways as well. There will be a loss of power per Newton's laws, but the same goes for batteries in that it always uses more energy to cuarge the batteries than you will ever get out of them.
I think hydrogen and fuel cells are better. the cost of hydrogen storage is dependent on its container. A sphire has a volume = 4/3 pi R^3 but an area thereby cost = 4pi R^2 so the larger the sphire the cheaper the storage per container. with batteries its linerar.
It's sad that people are so heavily addicted to cars. Now everybody is claiming that electric cars are so huge an advancement, that it will solve fossil fuel problem, etc. I think the real advancement would be to break that addiction, not to use cars except for transportation of loads and stocks. Look at the cities - your motion is awfully restricted, you must keep your eye wide open all the time and constantly being aware of not being smashed by a car. And electric cars will make it worse, because you cannot even hear them approaching. That's crazy, people must overcome this childish passion with cars and enter more conscious state.
I think your dreaming. We don't need millions of batteries polluting the world. A better idea might be solar panels placed all around the world. And the world sharing power. Or professor James McCanneys idea of his great wing generators. I'm sure the oil companies have been hiding other energy producing machines.
But I always wonder about the side effects of battery and solar manufacturing. Where do we throw this stuff away? I'm already trying to figure out the ecological way to dispose of my old laptop battery. Do we have enough of the raw earth materials needed to sustain this source of electricity for hundreds of millions and potentially billions of people?
Surely, Solar energy is the best source of energy for humans in the future.......but, Battery is not the right solution......we need to find a way to convert solar energy into electricity from space, where there is uninterrupted supply 24/7......maybe be a new technology that transmits electricity as electric waves from source to destination place where the waves can be again converted into electricity.....Tesla had such idea back then, so it may be possible in the future!!
But Jeremy Clarson said electric cars will die out in 5 years ago... He said that 10 years ago in his Tesla "review". Oh gosh, is it posible it was all scripted and staged, just blatant fossil fuel advertisement?! Nonono, totally no. Not at all! Trust me! Please!!!
Only one person commented on the balance of hydropower with wind and solar. If the balance is right, hydropower can be held in reserve and dispatched when wind and solar die down. For jurisdictions that too little or no hydro generation pump storage schemes can store much greater power than electrochemical batteries with less pollution.
Nice but to power europe with solar energy you couldn't grow any plants... it would take up to much space. Nucler power is the best way so far. Yes there is nuclear waste but it's small amout compared to huge waste that is created when you dump solar panel... and think how much land you need for it to have equivalent power.
I like battery products for a lot of reasons. However...
Batteries have dropped 80% in price in the last ten years???
You are saying a $100 battery is now $20. A 5X decrease. Examples?
We just have to buy a lot more of these products to make them significantly cheaper???
Meanwhile other markets rely on making things cheaper so that people will buy them. There is already a very significant industry in batteries, RE mining etc. Will increased scale have a profound effect on price at this stage?
Elon just knows how to sit on state subsidies. There are many companies in China which provide electric cars or other alternatives and they work in profit. In other side, Musk`s companies operates at a loss and receive subsidies. But everybody admires Musk and talks about him as a superman.
The trouble with batteries, there way too expensive. They are also expensive in terms of Earth resources.
The answer - the World is always in daylight somewhere and the wind is always blowing somewhere, so build a global grid.
1. They are already developing NON-lithium batteries that use cheaper materials and more recyclable. 2. If you have excess energy, well why leave it excess? People need heating and cooling and it turns out using a heat pump is most efficient way to heat or cool water. Which can then be used for heating or cooling building or other things. Norway is already doing this. When electricity is cheap (excess) you can heat water and even store the energy that way till needed. There are other uses and ways to store energy then batteries.
Batteries are terrible for the environment, in every possible way, compressed air storage is the way forward, also instead of hydro power we should look at something called Trompes, much less destructive on the natural water systems
All these comments talking ab pollution skipped over the whole point of the experience curve :/ sure right now it’s a polluting process but he said in the video that as we make more batteries our methods will become more efficient (less materials/ energy to produce) and far more efficient than fossil fuels.
And They didn't even considered the Graphene supercapacitors that is in development in China. That would be a major leap in cost reduction.
On top of that, today you don't need to have batteries to conserve energy. Many places use elevation and pumps to use the excess energy to pump water to huge elevated reservoirs, so when we need the energy, it can produce hydroelectric power on demand.
Many ways to get to Rome. Human innovation cannot be underestimated.
You want to talk about the greenish of the whole supply chain? Like, it is very polluting to make solar panels, handle battery disposals, wind turbine that kill all the birds not to mention the look and feel of those turbines.
Yes, examine the beginning to end process, not just part of the story, like they do with turning corn into fuels.
why not make many overhead tanks with the massive capacity to hold water, when there is surplus energy use electric pumps to fill that tank and when there is no wind use water in the overhead tank to generate electricity like a Hydroelectric power plant, using this we won't have to worry about toxic in batteries and it will be cheaper in long enough time.
what i ask myself is why lithium ion? How much money goes to covering up the technologies which are not suffering from deterioration over time. Well apparently China might dump Li ion soon so we will see what effect will it have when they replace it with ion liquids.
The problem with Litium Ion batteries is that of energy density. It is approximatly 1/10th that of fosil supplies. And the life of a lithium cell is about 5 years. They have to be replaced regulary due to dendrites growing in the film layers and punching a hole in the seperator and shorting out the cell. Remember the Dell batteries catching fire, that was due to dendrite growth.